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La Rynx
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:39:29 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: On the other hand I get a lot of hate from the miners whos ships I incinerate for fun.
Oh you poor inocent lamb.
This after you realy do everything to pi-ss those "unbalanced" people of. You earn your hatred, you know why and you use this thread to boast with it.
I am sure nobody will notice!
 So *you* wanna talk about "unbalanced". You feel smarter them then, i can tell...

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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:53:48 -
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Why hate the miners? Why hate WoW?
Don't know, like a EvE ritual for me. All ships in EvE are build by players with some little exceptions, like AT Wins and Aniversery stuff. Every resource for those ships has to be retrieved.
Remembering that: Even codies have mining alts. Some are naive believers, some other codies do it to reduce comeptition. Goons and other aliances? They have their own mining fleets.
Why the hate? It is easier to sanctify killing defensless victims, if you put some reason behind it. so the lame code excuses: beginners have to learn. hisecminers destroy the market. everything is fair game. this is pvp and miners have to be aware of that and have no right to be upset.
and on and on.
Miners can be proud, because they don't give up, even when they are hunted by idio-not so smart people to afraid to go to losec them self.
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:54:35 -
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Sol Project wrote:Okay we can close this thread now, as the uberhaters are taking over now.
I give you an
++ or bigger an +£

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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:58:41 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Actually most of our funding comes from people who like stories on minerbumping or watching exploits in local chat.
More likely that you are "usefull idio-no-so-smart people" keeping competition down.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec mining done right is safer than High Sec mining.
So it is! The "battle" is more "fair" since both sides have the same restrictions and hisec mechanics can not be abused so much.
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Posted - 2014.12.14 18:06:15 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate?   Some people just want to pad their killboards with easy kills. Most just lack any true pvp skill and go after miners to compensate. Its almost like someone baiting noobs in a starter system and thinking thats good pvp. As a miner, you just have to adapt. Dont go afk. Pay attention to overview. Watch dscan. And always stay aligned. Warp the second anything potentially hostile shows up. And keep plenty of replacement ships in hangar. I mine a lot when im not out hunting. I haven't lost a ship while mining since I was a noob back in 2010. Its not hard to avoid losing a ship. Just use common sense.
Indeed!
I lost quite some ships, but none of them to gankers. As a newb i lost 2 ventures to afk mining and rats and the rest to pvp guys better than me.
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Posted - 2014.12.17 10:44:39 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote: Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't.
Miners don't contribute to the community at all.
LOL

Miners mine the resources needed for building stuff, without miners no throwaway catalysts and no Ammunition to shoot something. No POS, nothing. CCP dosn't give enough ships away. OK, not true, You could still fly around in rookie ships. You just utter nonsense because you are angry...
Let me quote you "leader": You mad bro?
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Posted - 2014.12.17 11:17:40 -
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Black Pedro wrote:As you say Eve is a sandbox full of choices, not a "good fight" simulation game. But is still considered "a Game".
Then would you agree the request to the miners to type "gf" when they have been ganked by codies, serves only to to pi-ss of the miners even more?
Wouldn't you think this is done, to upset the player on the other screen so hard, that he might write stuff into chat, so he can be petitioned to CCP and being kicked from EvE?
Black Pedro wrote: You are welcome to judge this as somehow "craven" and apply consequences to those that engage in this criminal behaviour - that too is part of the sandbox. But your sense of "space honour" doesn't change the fact that the game is explicitly designed so other players can take your stuff, even in highsec, if you do not protect yourself. Gankers are not using some "loophole" or cheap exploit - they are enforcing the risk part of the game as intended by CCP.
In my Opinion ganking is not a problem. As you say, this is intended by CCP. Still CCP wants this to be a game and not a tool for some sad entities to hurt other people.
Black Pedro wrote: No one is helpless in this game - except for perhaps the true 2-day old new player who doesn't understand game mechanics.
Now you are getting really funny! EvE is known to be the most sophisticated MMO, i think everyone knows this learning curve picture: http://pixgood.com/eve-online-learning-curve.html
Black Pedro wrote: The problem is with the small minority who either do not understand what kind of game this is, can't accept a loss to another player, or somehow take my exploding them as a personal insult and start spewing hateful insults up to, and including, death threats. This group is a small minority, but still common enough that I run across them on several times a month even with my moderate Code enforcement level recently. You are welcome to judge my criminal behaviour as "craven" and apply any in-game consequence you wish, but you are not welcome to hurl such abuse at me for just playing the game as CCP intends.
So, you are a codie... Code is hated, cause they spew miner hate propaganda over and over. You seed hate, you ripe hate. This hatred guys like you get, is not because you are innocent players. It is because you thorrowly pi-ss other players off. Everyone gets upset when he loses his ship, especially in hot fight, maybe unexpected. Not you? Of course, you fly throwaway ships, how would you understand...
Do codies tell newbros what to do against ganking or do they rub in the loss to the other player? Remember? You demand a "gf" when they lost their ship. Not a "good fight" game, right? You could tell them: "hey miner, this is eve, be prepared, you can be attacked everywhere"?
Not miners are the bottom of the eve-food-chain, codies are. Hiding behind lame excuses to shoot the weakest targets and try to sell that as a service to the community. The erotica1 case and the code support are not forgotten. Nor is the AT2014 Fail. code is full of bottomless bigotry. Spreading hate and demanding respect. That absolut "unsmart". (uberdiplomatic expressed)
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Posted - 2014.12.17 11:20:30 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:La Rynx wrote: Miners mine the resources needed for building stuff, without miners no throwaway catalysts and no Ammunition to shoot something. No POS, nothing.
I didnt realise that...
...this is "EvE General Discussion" and not the "Roleplay" section.

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Posted - 2014.12.17 11:34:35 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If I burn ants with a magnifying glass because I can and find it entertaining - do you really believe that in no way reflects my personality?
Real life and video games are different things.
Then why seems it so important for some guys like codies, to do more then just destroy ships? You have to consider that it might be you that you who doesn't get the difference here.
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:18:34 -
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Sol Project wrote:With La Rynx, it's always about the CODE. It's funny, almost propaganda for the bad guys.
 *biggrin* *sigh* maybe!
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:03:55 -
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Black Pedro wrote:The New Halaima Code of Conduct is a role-playing construction completely done in-game which helps define us as the villains that we are. We wouldn't be very credible bad guys (or good guys depending on your point of view) if we ganked miners and haulers and then offered them back rubs and kind words encouraging them to do better.
 This code is just an excuse to hit on the weakest links and your so-called "roleplay" is also deeply flawed. Roleplay means emerging into the game. This has been explained multiple times, that your actions do not support your claims. More than anything else you hit single player instead of "bot-aspirants". An expression that you don't want define exactly and is clearly an immersion break since bots are "metagame". So was the "bonus-room" of erotica1 completly not roleplay. Still you call this guy a martyr, when he did his stuff NOT in-game.
Black Pedro wrote: No, we have claimed highsec
And got put down by concorde. So you got nothing in means ingame and roleplay stuff. Little more than 100 ppl with lots of alts... A big claim!
Black Pedro wrote: we offer ourselves up on the altar of emergent content as villains for you to hate.
How noble of you. -->"If you play like assholes, people will think of you as assholes"
I do not hate you, i despise you and i sneer at you. You are the ones creating hate. Read your mb pages.
Black Pedro wrote: But you do not have the right to threaten my family with death or hurl homophobic and racial abuse at me because you didn't like me blowing up your imaginary space ship.
Imaginary? Yes, better Virtual! Another of the lame code excuses. You are shooting just pixels pointing in a direction those virtual stuff has no worth. On the other hand you praise EvE for its uniqueness. Stuff has to produced or buyed and can be lost for good. Unlike WoW where you keep your armor. So people get an emotional deeper connection to their stuff than in WoW. But that importance is something that you want reduce / demish .
You are playing not with the alts, but with the emotions of the players. If you do that, there is no wonder, that you get very emotional reponses. "You mad bro?" I condemn those real life threads, but since you are provoking so hard, you have no right to play the role of the poor innocent victim. I do not and i did not ever make any kind of threads to other players and i never got those threats myself. Since you get them seldom but regularly, the conclusions is, that *you* are doing something wrong. I highly doubt that eve has more than the usual amount of sick people than other games. Even better, even griefers can group up. You are pushing and those reactions are the rebound. Not excused, but explained.
Black Pedro wrote: or you can resist, by fighting us and trash-talking as much as you like, but just remember to keep it in-game.
No the smart choice is to outsmart you. Like so often you need to take your own medicine and you own advice to heart instead of telling other people what to do.
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:10:41 -
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Dracvlad wrote:a person who trolls the forums, never logs in and spends their time telling people how great they are and rubbishing others that disagree with them.
JAMES 315! Oh wait he just trolls his own blog.
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:13:08 -
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Sol Project wrote:La Rynx wrote:Dracvlad wrote:a person who trolls the forums, never logs in and spends their time telling people how great they are and rubbishing others that disagree with them. JAMES 315! Oh wait he just trolls his own blog. Have I ever told you how much I dig the redhead, military looking type? 
*blushes hard*
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Posted - 2014.12.18 13:46:23 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:La Rynx wrote:Then would you agree the request to the miners to type "gf" when they have been ganked by codies, serves only to to pi-ss of the miners even more? Wrong, it's simple gaming etiquette. The "gf" is a simple polite congratulatory gesture from the loser to the victor in any PvP scenario. You see it all the time at the end of any fight, "gg"'s and "gf"'s get thrown around a lot to indicate the end of the game and that there's no hard feelings.
"gf" is a token of respect. No reason to gf if no fight happened. No reason to give if you do not respect your "opponent". One gives a "gf" on your own free will. Demanding it, is ridiculous...

"gf"s happen mostly in games like Battlefield, or Starcraft, not so much on MMO with the exceptions on certain arenas. Codies want to be villains, why the should they be respected? There are hard feelings and codies make a point to create them. To request for "gf" is just a way to anoy the victim more.
I havent seen any gf in EvE when it comes to fight. OK, wait, on sisi...
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Posted - 2014.12.18 14:47:21 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:La Rynx wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:La Rynx wrote:Then would you agree the request to the miners to type "gf" when they have been ganked by codies, serves only to to pi-ss of the miners even more? Wrong, it's simple gaming etiquette. The "gf" is a simple polite congratulatory gesture from the loser to the victor in any PvP scenario. You see it all the time at the end of any fight, "gg"'s and "gf"'s get thrown around a lot to indicate the end of the game and that there's no hard feelings. "gf" is a token of respect. No reason to gf if no fight happened. No reason to give if you do not respect your "opponent". One gives a "gf" on your own free will. Demanding it, is ridiculous...  "gf"s happen mostly in games like Battlefield, or Starcraft, not so much on MMO with the exceptions on certain arenas. Codies want to be villains, why the should they be respected? There are hard feelings and codies make a point to create them. To request for "gf" is just a way to anoy the victim more. I havent seen any gf in EvE when it comes to fight. OK, wait, on sisi... "Gf" is a simple gesture that means "no hard feelings". If you lose a fight, you congratulate the victor while simultaneously confirming you're not a sore loser. Simple etiquette, really. I'm curious why you can't seem to understand that.
"No hard feelings" is only a part of it. But since, i explained it in detail and it is really simple, it is you that does not want to understand. Better read again.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:04:20 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:If you lose a fight, you congratulate the victor while simultaneously confirming you're not a sore loser. What nonsense, in that case one lost and one is the loser. No need to give a good fight.
It comes all back to respect. As i explained:
codies are not perceived as "villains". "Clowns Troupe" would cover it more. Wanna-be-tough-guys going for the weakest links. Going for the weakest links is ok in the EvE sandbox, but doesn't make you heros or knights. codies lie: They say they are allways -10 and actual on the blog there is the proof that they do not. codies are not respected.
No gf!
You may insist and stomp with your feet now!

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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:13:12 -
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GhostOfDoom wrote: blowing a miner out the sky and saying GF is bollocks as there is no fight
So you agree with me.
GhostOfDoom wrote: I don't hunt miners never have never saw the point i rather lose a good fight than win a **** one so get your facts right
Then your posts where unclear.
Just to say it again. I am not against ganking. But i am against something what one might call "aggresive tear whoring". Targeting the people behind the monitor not the in game alts. It seems that is OK ffor ppl like Black Pedro, but they get real life threads, they want to play innocent victims.
Thats childish behavior, denying the posiible consequences of their own actions. Are they young children? Toddlers? Or educated adullt hypocrits?
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:40:02 -
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Black Pedro wrote: It's always good manners to give a 'gf' to your opponent
You getting more funny every time! Ignoring the respect part dosn't make you a smart discussionopponent. One shows respect to people you even respect a little. You are not respected at all -> So thats a no gf for you. Next to repeat is, that you can not demand it. Obviously thats hard to accept for codies! But hey thats the price you pay when you are offering youself to this "altar" of yours.
Black Pedro wrote: Some view as us villains for the terror we cause in the asteroid belts and shipping lanes,
Yawn, you are not the only gankers and that what makes you different is not some tough or evil part. You are roleplaying a bunch of wackos leaded by some delusional fool. Let me just rub in the AT2014 and the e1ban incidents. Again: you are taking what you are acting like and a lot of ppl dont act like villains. They act like Jerks. "i can not be stationcamped..." lel. ohh this tough one knows instawarps and instadocks...
Really, you guys...
Black Pedro wrote: As for the -10,
My bad, this was about an alt. I was wrong.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:45:47 -
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Black Pedro wrote:But to the point, I am not exactly sure how you think ganking should be done to be "honourably"
The process of ganking is not the problem, please go on. What so anoying is this extend "na na nana na i killed you, i am so much better than you..." and the other stuff you do, just to **** of the people behind the monitor. Just keep it in game. Tough guys do not talk much.
You! do! not! respect! your opponents, the miners. You call them stupid and more.
You give no respect, you get none. So easy, whats so hard to understand?
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:47:29 -
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Korwin Abre-Kai wrote: the short answer is that this is simply the ugly side of human nature for the long answer I refer you to "the Stanford prison experiment"
Thats the root of it! +1 from me.
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